Oh man... Why didn't I know this before selling mine

>From: "andreasnoa" < andreas.noa@... >
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
>Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:07:59 -0000
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>--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Zoran Bosnjak" <dj_allin@h...>
>wrote:
> > Oops, Waldorf pole is not orange, it is blue, right
> >
> > Zoran
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>Yes, it's dark blue, same coated paint as used on the Waldorf Pulse.
>The full name is "Waldorf miniWORKS 4pole".
>I can only agree to earlier comments about how good it sounds.
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>Further, I'm trying to add Filter Cutoff and Resonance CV Inputs to
>mine, which should be a nice addition to the A100 system I'll be
>getting soon. It's based on a CEM 3387 (2x 2pole Lowpass, 4x VCA),
>so that should be fairly easy to do.
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>Cheers,
>
>Andreas
>
>P.S.: I'm new to this group, so a big Hello to you all :D
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> > >From: "Zoran Bosnjak" <dj_allin@h...>
> > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: RE: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
> > >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:07:28 +0000
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks for the excellent response Ingo. Everybody reading this
>post, please
> > >notice that after all, it is only my perception that by bypassing
>VCA
> > >entirely in my bass patch, the A-109 filter got its character
>improved by
> > >getting slighly smoother, almost liquidy quality. Almost like VCA
>was
> > >holding it back - now its more even (smooth). When I am saying
>more even,
> > >imagine curve of the sound as being curved (obvious), but no dents
>in the
> > >line. With VCA, it is almost like curve is dented, uneven, with
>slight
> > >changes in volume. I did the test by opening the AMP knob on A-109
> > >completely. I could even hear slight noise (but negligible, and
>remember
> > >that's with AMP knob open full, and no envelope applied).
> > >What manfacturers do with their chip/filter application is still
>mystery to
> > >me. This is my third encounter with the same chip - I also have
>Microwave
> > >I,
> > >and I used to own Waldorf pole filter (forgot the name, that small
>orange
> > >thing). And that Waldorf standalone filter unit sounded
>unbelievable
> > >(smoothness and acid of 303 if needed, but with different, almost
>Moog
> > >character. Almost like subtle reverb was applied to it). I sold it
>because
> > >it was slow to edit, due to its menu system, and guess what: it
>was
> > >sticking
> > >out too much in the mix (beauty is curse sometimes :-) But this
>Waldorf
> > >experience made me buy A-109, and I KNEW there was that beautifull
> > >character
> > >hidden somewhere (behind VCA :-)
> > >
> > >But your post is eye-opening Ingo. I will look for other
>implementations
> > >where A-109 VCA can contribute to character, and not take away.
>And it's
> > >just unbelievable how little detail can contribute lot to sound,
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Zoran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "selfoscillate" <synaptic_music@y...>
> > > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
> > > >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:47:53 -0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >hello zoran,
> > > >
> > > >well, i don't think that the vca is low quality,
> > > >it just has a different response curve. the vca-part
> > > >of the a109 has a clear sound with low distortion
> > > >and low noise, so it can't be named low quality.
> > > >low quality usually means that the vca is noisy.
> > > >the response curve of the a109 vca is partly linear
> > > >and partly exponential, depending on the amount
> > > >of voltage applied to the vca circuit via the cv inputs
> > > >and/or the gain pot. this is a somewhat different behaviour
> > > >than on the other vca's and probably what you don't like,
> > > >especially when you use an envelope or lfo to open the vca,
> > > >instead of using a fixed voltage.
> > > >
> > > >also it seems to be a question of personal taste.
> > > >some like the cem-based vca's, others prefer the ca3080-based
> > > >or even the vactrol-based vca's, which have a completely
> > > >different response curve. my opinion is that each type
> > > >of vca has it's advantages, you just have to find the
> > > >right application for it.
> > > >
> > > >best wishes
> > > >
> > > >ingo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Zoran Bosnjak"
><dj_allin@h...>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I read so many posts about A-109 that were saying "this
>module is
> > > >good for
> > > > > starters, you get decent filter, VCA, and panner." Well, this
>is
> > > >what I
> > > > > found out: this filter sounds better when used without VCA
>that is
> > > >the part
> > > > > of the same module. Without VCA on A-109, the filter becomes
>very
> > > >smooth -
> > > > > it is a small difference, but possible to hear. And because
>of that
> > > > > smoothness, suddenly this filter has a strength/beauty in a
>mix
> > > >that was not
> > > > > present before.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just patching some bass sounds (VCO, A-109 filer, and
> > > >envelope), and
> > > > > comparing them with ARP Axxe that I own as well. What I like
>about
> > > >A-109
> > > > > filter is a sweet tone, mellow Curtis with very tiny hint of
>Moog.
> > > >Still
> > > > > sounding harder than super smooth and round ARP Axxe (mine
>has 4075
> > > >filter,
> > > > > one that got replicated in Modcan line of modules).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, two conclusions: A-109 filter is more than "just decent",
>it's
> > > >actually
> > > > > very good. And by getting the module, you are getting low
>quality
> > > >VCA, that
> > > > > can impact your sound (well, you can always find CV duty for
>VCA on
> > > >your
> > > > > system). I would love to hear if somebody has experience
>similar
> > > >(or
> > > > > completely different, of course) to mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoran
> > > >
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