--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Zoran Bosnjak" <dj_allin@h...>
wrote:

> Oops, Waldorf pole is not orange, it is blue, right
>
> Zoran
>

Yes, it's dark blue, same coated paint as used on the Waldorf Pulse.
The full name is "Waldorf miniWORKS 4pole".
I can only agree to earlier comments about how good it sounds.

Further, I'm trying to add Filter Cutoff and Resonance CV Inputs to
mine, which should be a nice addition to the A100 system I'll be
getting soon. It's based on a CEM 3387 (2x 2pole Lowpass, 4x VCA),
so that should be fairly easy to do.

Cheers,

Andreas

P.S.: I'm new to this group, so a big Hello to you all :D

> >From: "Zoran Bosnjak" <dj_allin@h...>
> >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
> >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:07:28 +0000
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the excellent response Ingo. Everybody reading this

post, please

> >notice that after all, it is only my perception that by bypassing

VCA

> >entirely in my bass patch, the A-109 filter got its character

improved by

> >getting slighly smoother, almost liquidy quality. Almost like VCA

was

> >holding it back - now its more even (smooth). When I am saying

more even,

> >imagine curve of the sound as being curved (obvious), but no dents

in the

> >line. With VCA, it is almost like curve is dented, uneven, with

slight

> >changes in volume. I did the test by opening the AMP knob on A-109
> >completely. I could even hear slight noise (but negligible, and

remember

> >that's with AMP knob open full, and no envelope applied).
> >What manfacturers do with their chip/filter application is still

mystery to

> >me. This is my third encounter with the same chip - I also have

Microwave

> >I,
> >and I used to own Waldorf pole filter (forgot the name, that small

orange

> >thing). And that Waldorf standalone filter unit sounded

unbelievable

> >(smoothness and acid of 303 if needed, but with different, almost

Moog

> >character. Almost like subtle reverb was applied to it). I sold it

because

> >it was slow to edit, due to its menu system, and guess what: it

was

> >sticking
> >out too much in the mix (beauty is curse sometimes :-) But this

Waldorf

> >experience made me buy A-109, and I KNEW there was that beautifull
> >character
> >hidden somewhere (behind VCA :-)
> >
> >But your post is eye-opening Ingo. I will look for other

implementations

> >where A-109 VCA can contribute to character, and not take away.

And it's

> >just unbelievable how little detail can contribute lot to sound,
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Zoran
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "selfoscillate" <synaptic_music@y...>
> > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
> > >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:47:53 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >hello zoran,
> > >
> > >well, i don't think that the vca is low quality,
> > >it just has a different response curve. the vca-part
> > >of the a109 has a clear sound with low distortion
> > >and low noise, so it can't be named low quality.
> > >low quality usually means that the vca is noisy.
> > >the response curve of the a109 vca is partly linear
> > >and partly exponential, depending on the amount
> > >of voltage applied to the vca circuit via the cv inputs
> > >and/or the gain pot. this is a somewhat different behaviour
> > >than on the other vca's and probably what you don't like,
> > >especially when you use an envelope or lfo to open the vca,
> > >instead of using a fixed voltage.
> > >
> > >also it seems to be a question of personal taste.
> > >some like the cem-based vca's, others prefer the ca3080-based
> > >or even the vactrol-based vca's, which have a completely
> > >different response curve. my opinion is that each type
> > >of vca has it's advantages, you just have to find the
> > >right application for it.
> > >
> > >best wishes
> > >
> > >ingo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Zoran Bosnjak"

<dj_allin@h...>

> > >wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I read so many posts about A-109 that were saying "this

module is

> > >good for
> > > > starters, you get decent filter, VCA, and panner." Well, this

is

> > >what I
> > > > found out: this filter sounds better when used without VCA

that is

> > >the part
> > > > of the same module. Without VCA on A-109, the filter becomes

very

> > >smooth -
> > > > it is a small difference, but possible to hear. And because

of that

> > > > smoothness, suddenly this filter has a strength/beauty in a

mix

> > >that was not
> > > > present before.
> > > >
> > > > I was just patching some bass sounds (VCO, A-109 filer, and
> > >envelope), and
> > > > comparing them with ARP Axxe that I own as well. What I like

about

> > >A-109
> > > > filter is a sweet tone, mellow Curtis with very tiny hint of

Moog.

> > >Still
> > > > sounding harder than super smooth and round ARP Axxe (mine

has 4075

> > >filter,
> > > > one that got replicated in Modcan line of modules).
> > > >
> > > > So, two conclusions: A-109 filter is more than "just decent",

it's

> > >actually
> > > > very good. And by getting the module, you are getting low

quality

> > >VCA, that
> > > > can impact your sound (well, you can always find CV duty for

VCA on

> > >your
> > > > system). I would love to hear if somebody has experience

similar

> > >(or
> > > > completely different, of course) to mine.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Zoran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >