Well, I just checked inside my TR-727 and I've got the same version as
you gregory, Ver.1 NMOS

Damn.....

Now I'm gonna want to upgrade my firmware ver2.

Ryan

--- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "gregory zifcak" <foleymachine@...> wrote:
>
> whoops, that was me, my girlfriend signed into yahoo while i had it
open. i'm surprised it
> posted!
>
> --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "missmarijke" <missmarijke@> wrote:
> >
> > i have Ver.1 :: NMOS HN4827128G-25.
> >
> > of course no pressure on colin for the extra features.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "plutoniq9" <Plutonique9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > According to the service manual, 4 ROMS hold the samples;
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -IC19 :: HN61256PC73 (256Kbit MASK ROM)
> > >
> > > SOUNDS;
> > >
> > > -TR-707 :: Crash Cymbal
> > > -TR-727 :: Quijada
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -IC22 :: (Ride/Chime) HN61256PC74 (256Kbit MASK ROM)
> > >
> > > SOUNDS;
> > >
> > > -TR-707 :: Ride Cymbal
> > > -TR-727 :: Chime
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -IC34 :: HN61256PC71 (256Kbit MASK ROM)
> > >
> > > SOUNDS;
> > >
> > > -TR-707 :: BD1 & BD2, SD1 & SD2, Low Tom, Mid Tom.
> > > -TR-727 :: Hi & Lo Bongo, Mute Hi Conga & Open Hi conga, Low Conga &
> > > Hi Timbale.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -IC35 :: HN61256PC80 (727) OR HN61256PC72 (707) (256Kbit MASK ROM)
> > >
> > >
> > > SOUNDS;
> > >
> > > -TR-707 :: Hi Tom, Hi-Hat, Rimshot & Cowbell, Handclap & Tamborine.
> > > -TR-727 :: Low Timbale, Whistle, Hi & Lo Agogo, Cabasa & Maracas.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Program ROM Firmware (TR-707)
> > >
> > > -IC13 :: HN61312BP (HN4827128G) NMOS or CMOS EPROM
> > >
> > > Versions released;
> > >
> > > -Ver.0 :: NMOS HN4827128G-25, SN#460100 -> 504399. Bugs!
> > >
> > > -Ver.1 :: NMOS HN4827128G-25, SN#504400 -> 519599. Bugs!
> > >
> > > -Ver.1 :: CMOS HN613128PE95, SN#519600 -> 533099. Bugs!
> > >
> > > -Ver.2 :: CMOS HN613128PG24, SN#533100 -> Up. Final!
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Any Chance you know what version of the Firmware you have i Gregory
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "kingconga42" <kingconga8@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yes, my eprom reading services are still up on the table. =]
> > > >
> > > > I can't help with re-designing the firmware or sounds. But reading
> > > the roms
> > > > and posting the bins should be no problem. Email me off list
for my
> > > mailing
> > > > address, etc. I'd love to see this project move along, since i'm
> > > interested in the
> > > > same type of thing with other devices, and there is very
little, if
> > > any,
> > > > information about this kind of thing on the web. It seems to be
> > > uncharted
> > > > territory, so it has to start SOMEWHERE. I'll be glad to help any
> > > little way i can.
> > > >
> > > > One thing- do we know what kind of chips these are
Ryan/plutoniqe
> > > > I'll need to know the type before i read them, if it isn't printed
> > > on the chips
> > > > themselves.
> > > >
> > > > -justin
> > > > = burnkit2600.com =
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "gregory zifcak"
<foleymachine@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ryan,
> > > > >
> > > > > what's up thanks again for those mods, they got me started on
> > > this beast.
> > > > > aha, the firmware binaries. this is definitely a worthy cause!
> > > > > kingconga, are you still interested i could send you all
the 707
> > > > > sound roms and the firmware chip (postage paid both ways) if
you can
> > > > > post the binaries. let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > now, shall we start a discussion about requested features
let's see:
> > > > >
> > > > > -midi out in write mode
> > > > > -pattern select in write mode (while running)
> > > > > -negative shuffle/flam
> > > > > -swap patterns between drum sounds (kick plays hh pattern, etc -
> > > > > overkill )
> > > > > -some type of auto-fill that sends divided clock frequencies
to the
> > > > > selected sound
> > > > >
> > > > > exciting,
> > > > > greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "plutoniq9" <Plutonique9@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Gregory,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > long time no see :) Glad to see people have be makin' use
of the
> > > > > > 707/727 envelope mods + audio inputs i posted to AH years
ago. I've
> > > > > > got the full 727 schematics from mark glinksy, but they're
A4 so I
> > > > > > don't know how i'd scan them, maybe 4MP digital photos
would suffice
> > > > > > if they were well lit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyways, I brought up the binaries because of two issues;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Colin Fraser was tempted to modify the 707/727 firmware
a few
> > > years
> > > > > > back so it could output midi in patter play mode. Perhaps if I
> > > > > > provided him with the firmware he'd take a crack at it
finally. He
> > > > > > owns a 727 himself, so it must be of some interest to him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - The sound roms would also be cool to examine. For reasons of
> > > > > > "extracting" the current samples (compressed and unfiltered/or
> > > > > > dynamics).....and also figuring out how to burn sounds to new
> > > ROMs for
> > > > > > them (the current ones are read-only).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think anything is possible really. I upgraded my Casio
Sk-8 toy
> > > > > > sampler to have 16 banks of memory, so once you've done a
mod like
> > > > > > that....evrything seem plausable :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ryan (plutonique9)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "gregory zifcak"
<foleymachine@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hmmm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > well if someone can make a case for the value of reading the
> > > binaries
> > > > > > > i'll pay postage and send them out. i don't have spare
707 chips
> > > > > > > though, so maybe someone else wants to send those.
burning new
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > > seems like a cool idea if it's possible, but i'm kind of
more
> > > > > > > interested in chopping up my 909 at the moment. my 70727 (
> > > > > > > http://userwww.sfsu.edu/%7Egzifcak/tr-707.html ) is
pretty much a
> > > > > > > finished piece unless something drastically cool pops up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anyone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "kingconga42"
<kingconga8@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you pay for postage both ways, i'll read them, send
them
> > > back,
> > > > > > > and post the
> > > > > > > > BINs here. (small files)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'd love to figure out how to burn my own sounds. I've
been
> > > having
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > discussion with a few people from this forum and
others. The
> > > machine
> > > > > > > i want
> > > > > > > > to do this with is the HR-16. I even emailed mr. HR-16
himself,
> > > > > > > craig anderton
> > > > > > > > (he literally wrote the book on the HR-16), to see if
he had any
> > > > > > > insight into this.
> > > > > > > > He responded to my email within hours, saying he'd
forward it to
> > > > > > > alesis, but
> > > > > > > > that ended up being a dead end. The service manual
offered a bit
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > insight, but i'm still not there yet.....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I dont have a 707, but my bandmate does, and i have a
505.
> > > I know
> > > > > > > from CJ
> > > > > > > > on this forum, that the roland machines are very
tricky in this
> > > > > > regard:
> > > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tr-707/message/185
> > > > > > > > In addition to sound data on the voice chips, the
audio gets
> > > > > > > processed by
> > > > > > > > filters and ADSRs. And not all the sounds are the same
> > > bitrate. By
> > > > > > > contrast,
> > > > > > > > the HR-16s sounds (i THINK) are all the same bitrate, and
> > > only get
> > > > > > > minor
> > > > > > > > volume processing (i THINK).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, IN THEORY- you could take a 707 BIN file, open it
up as
> > > raw data
> > > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > audio editor (but you'd need to know the proper
bitrate, etc.),
> > > > > > > replace some of
> > > > > > > > that data with your own, save a new BIN, and burn that
to a new
> > > > > > > chip. IN
> > > > > > > > THEORY. As an experiment, you might want to take a 727
drum
> > > > sound,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > copy and paste it to replace the coresponding 707 drum
> > > sound, and
> > > > > > > see if
> > > > > > > > your new chip will have the new sound on it. I haven't
tried
> > > this
> > > > > > > yet, but a friend
> > > > > > > > of mine has, with the HR, and also with the casio sk1. He
> > > hasn't had
> > > > > > > any luck
> > > > > > > > so far, even just changing little things. The new rom will
> > > either
> > > > > > > not work at all,
> > > > > > > > or have undesired results. I think it's because he's
> > > converting from
> > > > > > > data to
> > > > > > > > .wav and back. Maybe the bitrate is slightly off, which
> > > would throw
> > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > off. I'll be doing my own experiments with the HR-16
roms soon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, long story short- yes, i can copy the roms. But it
might
> > > be very
> > > > > > > tricky to get
> > > > > > > > your own sounds on them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -justin
> > > > > > > > = burnkit2600.com =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "gregory zifcak"
<foleymachine@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > well, i do have some spare 727 chips. would that be good
> > > > > enough for
> > > > > > > > > both machines i didn't use no chip desolderer though, i
> > > just undo
> > > > > > > > > those suckers by hand (and solder wick).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i'd be down to send them to you if you send them back
> > > after you
> > > > > > > read them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so, once you do this you can figure out what needs to be
> > > where in
> > > > > > > > > those chips and burn your own new sounds onto new ones
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > p9, is this what you have in mind
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "kingconga42"
<kingconga8@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you would need a chip burner.
> > > > > > > > > > Are the chips in the 707 socketed if not, you would
> > > need a chip
> > > > > > > > > desolderer to
> > > > > > > > > > pull them out, and have your chip burner read
them. I've
> > > > > done this
> > > > > > > > > with an
> > > > > > > > > > hr-16, but i dont have a 707 or 727. i have a 505,
tho....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Send me your chips, and i'll read them for you =]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -justin
> > > > > > > > > > = burnkit2600.com =
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "gregory zifcak"
> > > > <foleymachine@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > no, i don't know how to do any of that stuff.
what does it
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > hooking the pins up to some type of computer
input and
> > > > > > > triggering the
> > > > > > > > > > > sounds cj might have something, he seems keen
on burning
> > > > new
> > > > > > > ones.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In tr-707@yahoogroups.com , "plutoniq9"
<Plutonique9@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone got ROM binaries from the 707 &/Or
727 I'm
> > > > > thinkin'
> > > > > > > > > it will
> > > > > > > > > > > > be gregory if any one :)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ryan (Plutonique9)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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