To speak the truth I did not read all the groovalizer messages in detail but
how about this solution:

Clock a VC trigger delay (e.g. A-142 or A-162 with reduced timing capacitors
and the planned universal vactrol module) with the fixed (i.e. non-grooving)
master clock. A random or any other control voltage (sequencer, LFO,
Midi-to-CV, Theremin ...) is used to vary the delay time in the desired
range. The output of the trigger delay is the new grooving master clock.

Even clock dividing/clock sequencing functions (A-160, A-161, modified A-163
for DC coupling) can be used. One can choose if the clock dividing module is
connected pre/post the trigger delay mentioned above. In the first case
(i.e. the clock dividing module is driven by the non-grooving master clock)
an independend grooving unit can be used for each stage.

Not sure if this will solve all the grooving problems but you should try it.

For the planned synced LFO (A-143-4 , still in the planning stage) we will
see if it is possible to introduce grooving features.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com ]Im Auftrag von Anton Coops
> Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Dezember 2005 20:48
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: 1 suggestion: groovalizer
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> On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:30, Florian Anwander wrote:
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> > Sorry, Anton, it should be kidding.
>
> I'm not at all offended
>
> > The main problem is, that the Seq-outCV-controls-VCO method influences
> > the tempo. This should not happen to my opinion.
>
> I agree, and even stronger, to me that makes this method quite
> useless, because the most important thing to me would be staying
> locked into the main beat and being able to do unorthodox things at
> the same time without getting lost. Think of the more extreme flows
> you hear in d&b/garage/grime grooves, or some of the stranger
> hiphop beats.
>
> The other main function of the module would be to finetune the feel
> of basslines, melodies, hihats etc. and creating all kinds of crazy
> loops. Also it can be refreshing to get out of the 4/8/16 grid and use
> a bit of 3, 5, 6 or 7, and just experiment in general. That's really what
> this is all about. I think this groove module could help to create some
> really new sounds and music. That's also why I suggested the
> extended quantizing module some time ago. I see those two ideas as
> related, or complementary. The quantizer idea basically would offer
> more grids which can be used for the cv-output of a sequencer,
> while the groove-module would offer more and flexible grids which
> can be used for the clock input of a sequencer.
>
> You could say that the groove-module approach is better because
> you can tweak each value individually, and the tuning-module idea
> depends upon a template (the n-tet) with only 1 variable n (same
> function as the number of steps-switch in groove module). But on
> the other hand tweaking the individual value of each step in a tuning
> would require so many pots that this would probably become
> unpractical. Definitely if you would let n go up to 24 (although
> personally I wouldn't mind having that possibility at all). But then
> again you could refine the n grids and make them more usable with
> an editable scale-mask, which is actually quite necessary for higher
> values of n.
>
> It's just such a pity that a lot of people have no idea what's
> behind scales
> and tunings, although it is right at the core of all music. That keeps
> you from exploring and you end up with the same notes over and over
> again while there are so many more notes... :-))
>
> > > The typical delay-range for the individual steps would be somewhere
> > > between +/- 5 and 200 ms, so in this aspect this idea would require
> > > more precision than the A-162, which has a (+/- ) trigger delay of
> > > up to 10 seconds, and which is not very precise in the 15 - 50 ms
> > > range, where a lot of groove is to be found.
> > It is technically very simple to add an switch and an alternative
> > capacitor to reduce the delay time range. Like the range
> switches of the
> > A140 envelopes.
>
> Yes, I've been thinking about such a modification. That's how I got this
> idea in the first place.
>
> What would be the preferred method to change the delay-range of the
> A-162 so the level indicators of the pot would roughly translate to ms
> x 10 (level 1 10 ms, level 5 somewhere around 50ms etc.) Do you
> happen to know
>
> > PS:
> > > I bet you a crate of dutch beer
> > Never, never, never bet for dutch beer with someone born and living in
> > Bavaria. ;-)
>
> Ok.. I won't, I have far too much respect for German beer ;-)
>
> Greetings
>
> Anton
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