>thanks florian,
>i totaly agree with you in the comparison between
>MOTM(or other expensive modulars)and DOEPFER!!!
>also,i think you are right about this endless
>discussion about the upgrade of
>regelwerk/shaltwerk...

sorry to say it, but you are both wrong on that issue.
customer support and upgrading is an issue. they do
control my A100 system.

>(but,please let's not reply to
>each other with "shut up"and things like
>that,o.k. :-)...)

i totally agree with you on that one. let's save the
kindergarden comments for the schoolyard. this group
is about debate, thought and discussion. let's focus
on the issues at hand. they might not be useful to you ,but to others
they matter, so keep an open mind.

>by the way,i don't have a MAQ,or regelwek,or
>shaltwerk,so i can't say anything about
>them,really....

curious what do you use to control your A100
using an A155 does only monophonic lines. what happens when you want
to do more one what do you do when you to chain multiple phrases
together what do you do when you want to play a melody over a nice
liquid bass line what happens when you want to save them, so you can
work on them the next day here is where the MAQ, Regelwerk and the
Schaltwerk come into play. all 3 of them send only 16th note
lenghths.not musically creative or functional unless all you are
looking is repetitive 16th notes all day long. by having the
possibility to tie notes together you will be able to do whole notes,
half notes...etc.
so the door should not be shut and locked to those want to use their
sequencers that way.

>but as far as i know dieter,is a very
>nice man,

I never discussed or mentioned anything about his character.

>that cares about his customers,

I am sure he cares about his customers, he should care a little more
about customers who voice their opinions about certain features that
need to be added to their gear. the note tie issue is a monumental
lack of forsight. that should have been one of the first arguments
when they were planning the Schaltwerk. i mean the the TB-303 did it
with an older processor. so there is no excuse. if he really cared a
lot, this issue would not have been on the back burner for the last 5
years. they should do something about it in the very near future
i.e. now. it will send a clear message that he really cares about
their products and send a positive note on the state of things to
come and boost the image of his company. i hope you never have the
sinking feeling i get when i look in dismay at my schaltwerk in the
closet , hoping for something to happen ever.

>and does what >he does >because he loves his work,not >just to make

money...,o.k.

i am sure he does, that's why he is the synth building business.

>so,if he tells us that it's difficult
>to upgrade the shaltwerk/regelwerk,he must be
>right...after all,

how diffcult can it really be. they plan, design, prototype and build
PCB's to put into cases or face plates for a living. pain in the ass,
yes, difficult no. difficult is squeezing a square peg into a hole of
the same diameter. most of the code for the machine is already
written,so a little more coding will do the trick. seems to me it's
just a memory and faster cpu issue that should be solved fairly
quickly. this should be a piece of cake





let's see how many people are ready

>to pay these extra 300 euros for a hardware upgrade.

sorry, 300 or 400 euros isn't that the figurative price for the new
touch sensor keyboard i don't see 25 pots, 88 1/8" phone jacks and
29 led's going into the the proposed upgrade. those items are
expensive. on top of that no drilling to the actual cases and face
plates. we are talking about a stuffed PCB, re-connect a few wires
and writing more code to implement it from the current OS.

i am willing to pay a fair price for the upgrade. i think the upgrade
should be done for the parts, plus labour and a small mark-up, say
10% to 20% for the effort. the price for the upgrade should be
distributed between Doepfer,the existing and future customers. should
we take the hit for the boards that are going the wayside i think
parts and labour should be factored in the equation but definitely
not the mark- up attached to them. that seems pretty fair i would
say.

>if
>you see that are more that 10(according to the polls),
>then please address your requests directly to doepfer
>or chris assall.)

i think the discussion should be kept in this group, so people can
see what is actually going to happen. second, it can really help
doepfer expose their effort and it might lead to more sales.

>AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH DOEPFER ON HIS INTEREST TO
>ALWAYS DEVELOP MORE NEW MODULES FOR THE A100!!!

i agree, but not to the detriment of other products which definitely
need a helping hand and upgrades to realize their full potential and
become the shining stars they deserve to to be. the MAQ, Regelwerk,
Schaltwerk are vital to the control of the A100. if they were not,
they would not have been built in the place. i believe Doepfer made
the MAQ before the A100, so it seems like a valid product.this will
solidify the image of Doepfer Musikelektronik in the synth world and
bring more sales in the process. remember nothing sells a product
better then word of mouth. for now, mum's the word until i see an
effort on their part.

regards and let's keep an open mind,
RM

p.s. i am ready to spend more money your way, so make an effort and i
will keep adding polyphony to my system. by the way those touch
sensor keyboards do look appealing, i may have to bend the rules a
little and buy one right away. :) count me in.

THAT'S

>THE MAIN BEAUTY OF A MODULAR SYNTHESIZER...
>AND,AGAIN,DOEPFER MODULES ARE GIVING EVERYONE MANY
>FEATURES FOR A GOOD PRICE(a thing that you can't say
>about MOTM,TECHNOSAURUS or SERGE and all those
>overpriced modulars,o.k. )
>just think of one thing:if serge would release a
>sensor-keyboard like the new one from deopfer(see the
>doepfer site!!!)it would cost,at least,DOUBLE THE
>PRICE(or triple ),and probably fewer people could
>afford it!!!!!!!!!!
>that's my opinion.
>keep on synthesizing,everyone...
>synthfreak
>BAKIS(not bakkis!!!) SIRROS.

sorry about the misprint of your name.



--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@c...>
wrote:

> Sorry guys,
>
> but this is an ugly reply to the demands of many
> people here:
>
>
>
> Doepfer offers and sells modules with dedicated
> features announced. These
> features are forfilled. There were only very very
> few real technical bugs,
> which reduced the announced features; as far as I
> know the owners of the
> corresponing modules were informed personally and
> the repair was initiated
> by Doepfer. This is more than the usual of the
> standard behaviour of other
> producers.
>
>
> What you all expect is the fix of (to your
> opinion
> annoying) lack of features.
>
>
>
> To stay in the car comparison: You bought a
> Volkswagen, now you find, that
> it does not include air conditioning and its
> instruments panel is made from
> simple plastic instead of maple wood. So you expect
> Volkswagen AG to make a
> Mercedes out of your beetle.
>
> Now you want Doepfer to make a MOTM-Standard out of
> the A-100 modules. What
> do you think Doepfer is A social station A
> Doepfer module usually costs
> less than the half of a MOTM module (I just compared
> the MOTM price list
> with Doepfers prices: often only 25% to 35% of MOTM
> !!!). So i think you
> can be DAMNED LUCKY that it provides 90 percent of
> the technical features
> and three quarter of the mechanical quality.
>
>
>
> A Mercedes is a nice car. Nothing to say against it,
> but please stop
> complaining about the fact that you were so stingy
> to afford only a
> Volkswagen. IF YOU WANT A MERCEDES, THEN PAY FOR IT.
>
> If you don't have the money, then shut up!
>
> Florian
>

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