Oops, Waldorf pole is not orange, it is blue, right

Zoran

>From: "Zoran Bosnjak" < dj_allin@... >
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
>Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:07:28 +0000
>
>
>Thanks for the excellent response Ingo. Everybody reading this post, please
>notice that after all, it is only my perception that by bypassing VCA
>entirely in my bass patch, the A-109 filter got its character improved by
>getting slighly smoother, almost liquidy quality. Almost like VCA was
>holding it back - now its more even (smooth). When I am saying more even,
>imagine curve of the sound as being curved (obvious), but no dents in the
>line. With VCA, it is almost like curve is dented, uneven, with slight
>changes in volume. I did the test by opening the AMP knob on A-109
>completely. I could even hear slight noise (but negligible, and remember
>that's with AMP knob open full, and no envelope applied).
>What manfacturers do with their chip/filter application is still mystery to
>me. This is my third encounter with the same chip - I also have Microwave
>I,
>and I used to own Waldorf pole filter (forgot the name, that small orange
>thing). And that Waldorf standalone filter unit sounded unbelievable
>(smoothness and acid of 303 if needed, but with different, almost Moog
>character. Almost like subtle reverb was applied to it). I sold it because
>it was slow to edit, due to its menu system, and guess what: it was
>sticking
>out too much in the mix (beauty is curse sometimes :-) But this Waldorf
>experience made me buy A-109, and I KNEW there was that beautifull
>character
>hidden somewhere (behind VCA :-)
>
>But your post is eye-opening Ingo. I will look for other implementations
>where A-109 VCA can contribute to character, and not take away. And it's
>just unbelievable how little detail can contribute lot to sound,
>
>Regards,
>
>Zoran
>
>
>
> >From: "selfoscillate" < synaptic_music@... >
> >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: 1 Re: A-109 Improvement
> >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:47:53 -0000
> >
> >
> >
> >hello zoran,
> >
> >well, i don't think that the vca is low quality,
> >it just has a different response curve. the vca-part
> >of the a109 has a clear sound with low distortion
> >and low noise, so it can't be named low quality.
> >low quality usually means that the vca is noisy.
> >the response curve of the a109 vca is partly linear
> >and partly exponential, depending on the amount
> >of voltage applied to the vca circuit via the cv inputs
> >and/or the gain pot. this is a somewhat different behaviour
> >than on the other vca's and probably what you don't like,
> >especially when you use an envelope or lfo to open the vca,
> >instead of using a fixed voltage.
> >
> >also it seems to be a question of personal taste.
> >some like the cem-based vca's, others prefer the ca3080-based
> >or even the vactrol-based vca's, which have a completely
> >different response curve. my opinion is that each type
> >of vca has it's advantages, you just have to find the
> >right application for it.
> >
> >best wishes
> >
> >ingo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Zoran Bosnjak" <dj_allin@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I read so many posts about A-109 that were saying "this module is
> >good for
> > > starters, you get decent filter, VCA, and panner." Well, this is
> >what I
> > > found out: this filter sounds better when used without VCA that is
> >the part
> > > of the same module. Without VCA on A-109, the filter becomes very
> >smooth -
> > > it is a small difference, but possible to hear. And because of that
> > > smoothness, suddenly this filter has a strength/beauty in a mix
> >that was not
> > > present before.
> > >
> > > I was just patching some bass sounds (VCO, A-109 filer, and
> >envelope), and
> > > comparing them with ARP Axxe that I own as well. What I like about
> >A-109
> > > filter is a sweet tone, mellow Curtis with very tiny hint of Moog.
> >Still
> > > sounding harder than super smooth and round ARP Axxe (mine has 4075
> >filter,
> > > one that got replicated in Modcan line of modules).
> > >
> > > So, two conclusions: A-109 filter is more than "just decent", it's
> >actually
> > > very good. And by getting the module, you are getting low quality
> >VCA, that
> > > can impact your sound (well, you can always find CV duty for VCA on
> >your
> > > system). I would love to hear if somebody has experience similar
> >(or
> > > completely different, of course) to mine.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Zoran
> >
> >
> >
>
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