Florian,

if I were to make a mess of a project I would have no grounds to
blame a (well written) DIY site. I don't believe that Doepfer is
offering any warranty on modules made using their site. Apart
from anything else, how many of us on this forum have added
Analogue Systems, Analogue Solutions, homemade and
goodness knows what else modules to our cases, thereby
rendering null any warranty and therefore legal obligation on
behalf of Doepfer (or ASys etc) for mechanical malfunction. I did
so based on the information on the Doepfer site.

"Every "idiot" will continue beeing an idiot. "

Are you suggesting that by having clearly explained projects to
try that I would never learn anything about building projects
How then did I manage to build my Dual Attenuator - all with no
previous experience. I haven't destroyed my synth, burned down
the house or electrocuted myself (although I freely accept that
Doepfer, A Sys their employees or any or their immediate family
are not liable should such an event occur).

As is happens, I'm now much neater at soldering, and I now
understand how attenuators work, and why those componemts
were used. It has also given me an increased interest in
building parts of my synth. I'm currently designing a 20U case to
build (don't worry, I'll get a qualified electrician to check it over).
I'm also not a trained carpenter, should I leave all the woodwork
to the professionals, too If so, why have a DIY (Do-It-Yourself)
page at all

"He would crash his pcbs and solder his components to death,
the idiot will blame me that his diy-project failed"

and yet,

"There are a lot of well described diy-project out there"

...which you suggested I should start with. Why aren't these
diy-project sites/companies being snowed under by idiots who
are blaming them for every failure and mistake

"the idiot will blame me that his diy-project failed... he simply
still is an idiot."

...or he will look at the clearly explained instructions which help
him understand why each component is chosen and placed,
and he will realise his mistake, and LEARN.

"And of course he will tell this to the world."

And the world will say, "why didn't you follow the clearly
explained instructions "

Stuadh

Six months ago, I knew nothing about analogue synthesis,
having only experienc of sample-based synths and samplers.
However, I read up on the subject, bought an A Sys Minisynth,
and started experimenting. Should I have stayed well clear of
analogue synthesis, too. Three years ago, I knew nothing about
computers. So I read up, bought a 2nd hand Mac, learned how
to work it, and I now maintain my own computer which has
various specialised music applications on it. It is integrated into
my little music studio (including the my doep/A Sys hybrid). Oh,
by the way, it has never been back to a repair shop. I've always
managed to learn from experience.




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Florian Anwander
<Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:

> Hi stuadh
>
> > I would appreciate if all
> > components were shown in idiot-proof detail.
> If I was Doepfer, I would not do that.
>
> The story would go that way: Every "idiot" will continue beeing

an

> idiot. He will do things I never thought he could do. He would

crash his

> pcbs and solder his components to death, the idiot will blame

me that

> his diy-project failed, and he wont get it fixed anyway as much

as I

> will help him (while the time, I should work on developping

moduls) - he

> simply still is an idiot. The result will be, that the idiot will be
> very unsatisfied and he will blame his mistake to me - not to

his own.

> And of course he will tell this to the world.
>
> So to my opinion the only way the word "idiot-proof" should be
> understood is, that a DIY-page is proven, that idiots

understand, that

> they should keep their hands off.
>
> Ok, this is described in extreme words. In reality I should say:

There

> are a lot of well described diy-project out there (commercial

and

> non-commercial). Start with them, learn with them, and the

time will

> come soon, you will be able to work with the Doepfer DIY-page.
>
> Just my 2 cts
>
> Florian