As for punch in ENVs I think it can be called punch. I personally define a
punch ENV as a fast one that can make you filter sweep fast enough to make a
snap or click. That is punchy for me. Filters that can't go that fast like
the VCADSR is what I call sloppy and punchless ;)

I think the standard doepfer ADSR qualifies for punchy. The Kurzweil K2000
synths have sloppy envs as an example of the opposite.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jmaddocks1975" < jmaddocks1975@... >
To: < Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: 1 Re: not other OSC and worst modules


> Hi,
> I agree!
> I think the a100 envelopes are very nice, perhaps Hans hasn't
> noticed they have a range switch :-D
> Trying to make a 'punchy' sound using the wrong range ..oh well.
> The multimode filter is a nice filter, but really depends what sound
> you are after, that is why we have so many different filters....they
> are DIFFERENT for a reason!
>
>
> John.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Florian Anwander
> <Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Hans
> >
> > > What Doepfer should do now is to do a MAC editor for their A-112
> sampler
> > > that I have unused and disconnected,
> > There is no editor for th A112. There is only a sample dump
> loader. You may
> > assumingly do the same job with every other sample dump loader or
> simply
> > any sequencer. The A112 was never offered with an editor[*] and
> from the
> > beginning it was said that there will be no developement for some
> computer
> > software. So if you were so stupid (sorry that I am getting that
> rigid) to
> > buy a module, that was known to you as not being usable, no one
> will be
> > able to help you. Would you buy wintertyres for a Volvo if you own
> a Saab -
> > only because both are funny northern european car manufactureres
> >
> >
> >
> > 2 The available software is an testing tool from their hardware
> testing
> > technician. Try to find any other manufacturer, that gives the
> testing
> > software to his customers!
> >
> >
> > > Did they know that almost eveybody in
> > > the music community uses mac ( well nowadays that is changing).
> > Sorry to say, but according to a person how is involved in
> merketing
> > research at a well known music software house which was acquired
> by Apple
> > recently, the Mac is used by around 9 to 12 percent in the MIDI-
> orientated
> > music community.
> >
> >
> >
> > > The envelope is bad as hell ( closer to the Korg ms ones ,to me
> the worst
> > > enveolpes ever) maybe they cloned from them, and has no body or
> punch
> > > compared to the AS ones or an SH -101 per example.
> > An envelope cannot have punch or something like
> that. It
> > all depends on what the envelope is controlling. The same envelope
> on a
> > A130 will "sound" completely different to the result on a A131. All
> > envelopes that are not calculated in a microprocessor are based on
> > loading/unloading a capacitor. There is no difference in the curve
> an
> > capacitor is loading between any manufacturer.
> >
> > What may be different is the VCA of an Korg or an SH101 or the
> kind of
> > patch that YOU are wiring on an A100. So talking about the "punch
> of an
> > envelope", you should complain about yourself, that you do not
> understand
> > what you are doing, but not about Doepfer or Korg or Roland.
> >
> > > and the 121 multimode filter is simply the WORST sounding filter
> I have ever
> > > heard,and can´t be compared to other brand ones.
> > Oehm, urps, any around 30 other synths on the world use the same
> circuit (I
> > don't mean the chip, I mean the schematic), so tell me the
> difference. Or
> > is it again, that you don't know what you are talking about...
> >
> >
> > Florian
>
>
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