Allow me to say that Scott's views aren't representative of myself or any
other Americans I know. I'm afraid a great many of the characterizations
floating around lately regarding America's leadership and foreign policy
stick. Loyalty to "American" ideals is actually in many cases diametrically
opposite loyalty to the positions being advanced by this administration.
War atrocities are war atrocities whether inflicted by foreign nationals or
ourselves. The loss of life associated with an American invasion of Iraq
could be catastrophic. The vast majority of the killing in that instance
would by Americans. Wherein lies the vaunted American moral superiority if
Americans rush into another country and take upwards of 100,000 lives,
brutally and relentlessly

There's also a case to be made, however, that Europe's reliance on the
defensive backing of American military might has caused a certain degree of
atrophy in its sense of responsibility for itself, which breeds a mood of
detached analytical superiority at extreme odds with the realpolitik of the
world. In its foreign policy (and its domestic policty) the Bush
administration is in many ways a worst-case scenario, but several European
countries are not exactly in their finest hour as to their leadership
either. To their benefit, none is saddled with and is making a mess of the
responsibilities of a superpower (or hyperpower as the French would call
it). But those responsibilities do exist.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pstnotpd < psm@... > [mailto: psm@... ]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 1 Re: One more thing THE PEACE DEMONSTRATION. -
>
>
> Can we please stop this. I don't like to be called a coward by someone
> who's obviously not in the mood to have a reasonable discussion.
>
> Bakis
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , scott pfeifer <spfeifer@y...> wrote:
> > I forget to say not that I ever wish anything on
> > anyone. But it would be fuuny to see if 9/11 happens
> > in your country. I'm sure all of you cowards would
> > feel the same and march for the terriorst to forgive
> > them. You people sicken me.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- scott pfeifer <spfeifer@y...> wrote:
> > > IMPORTANT THEN again remember history, who bailed
> > > out
> > > all of your European countries with money, food and
> > > lives. Once again you cowards should be ashamed of
> > > yourselves. If you have so much time on your hands
> > > why
> > > don't you put it to good use. When was the last time
> > > you help out a homeless person, helped out a friend
> > > or
> > > just looked in the mirror and asked yourself why you
> > > hate us Americans so much. Freedom is great I love
> > > it.
> > > I love my country!
> > >
> > > Now let's get back to what this list is about or
> > > start
> > > a new one if it is so important.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hi kevin,
> > > > ok,you're right...but some things are TOO
> > > > IMPORTANT,so
> > > > a word or two about them isn't bad at all.
> > > > anyway,back to modular speek!
> > > > bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "code_pig <code_pig@y...>"
> > > > <code_pig@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I might be alone here, but...
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought this forum was supposed to be about
> > > > > Doepfer modular
> > > > > synthesizers, and not people's political
> > > rhetoric
> > > > > and personal
> > > > > opinion on world events.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can go anywhere to get my fill of left-wing
> > > > this,
> > > > > or right-wing
> > > > > that, but I come here to read about a musical
> > > > > instrument.
> > > > >
> > > > > Far be it from me to tell you how to run your
> > > > forum
> > > > > Bakis, but
> > > > > shouldn't we point things back in the right
> > > > > direction
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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