David & Richard - Good thought. I should just prob go for the "Dark Energy" standalone and be able to sell it as a unit when I get "tired" of it in the future as my module epxands, rather than sitting with the Euro Rack module (selling 2nd hand modular units in South Africa will be VERY difficult!)..Had a listen to the Plague Bearer demos..TBH it doesnt (personally speaking) tickle my fancy much..Very "Pedal" sounding if I may say My current Metasonix TM7 & TM1 can handle those quite easily..But I appreciate the tip mate :)

Damage here we come!

Yeeeeha!!!!!!!

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , <david.salter@...> wrote:
>
> That looks like a nice set-up.
>
>
>
> Question - do you mean Dark Energy or A111-5
>
>
>
> The dark Energy has a built in midi interface that provides CV & gate
> out for other modules so I don't think the A190-2 is needed.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * *
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
>
> SSG UKI
>
> Thomson Reuters
>
> O +44 (0)20 7542 2402X 52402
> M 07990562402
>
> david.salter@...
> thomsonreuters.com < http://thomsonreuters.com/ >
>
>
>
> P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of doof_per
> Sent: 03 June 2010 14:44
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 1 Re: Newby Seeking Chaos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow.
>
> The response & knowledge being shed is amazing. Thank you, I am very
> grateful (David, York, Nick, Ernst & the others :)
>
> So im really starting to understand this more and more by the click of
> my mouse :)
>
> Here is my updated list..I think this should cover it!
>
> Other Brands:
> Geiger Counter
> B:assMaster
> Metasonix R53
>
> Doepfer:
> A100P9 (case)
> A-143-1 Quad AD Generator
> A138-b log Mixer
> A-114 Ring Modulator
> A132-1 Dual VCA
> A119 input
> A137-1 & A137-2 Wave Multipliers,
> A106 Xtrene Filter
> A-111-5 Dark Energy (Why the hell not!)
> A190-2 MIDI (For Dark Energy)
>
> Can I make loud demonic noises yet pllllease !
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , "doof_per" <doof_per@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Bakkis & Robert:
> > Point noted and taken :)
> >
> > Thanks guys, I will do just that :)
> >
> >
> >
> > David:
> >
> > "Add a mixer, a ring modulator and audio sources like VCO's and noise
> if your not just processing external sounds."
> >
> > - For now, I think i will be just doing external sound.
> >
> > "Control comes from modulation; LFO's, Envelope generators and VCA's
> and I promise you can never have enough of these."
> >
> > - Would you not say that my list has that Could you recommend any
> essential units Im already on 2100Euros on my current list :/ Maybe I
> should rid of the bitcrusher and some "irrelevant" units (for now)
> >
> > "It is very important to set a couple of goals you want to achieve,"
> >
> > - I think my goal for my 1st startup kit, would be to be able to shape
> & distort bass/synth lead sounds mainly.
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , Robbert Jan Rink
> <robbertrink@> wrote:
> > >
> > > And do check if you can afford the P9 case. It is only a small extra
> amount
> > > while it offers more flexibility in the future!
> > >
> > > Robbert
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, <david.salter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The list are modules for mashing sound, however you need to
> control as
> > > > well, even for the nastiest noise.
> > > >
> > > > Control comes from modulation; LFO's, Envelope generators and
> VCA's and
> > > > I promise you can never have enough of these. Also sequencer is a
> cool
> > > > choice this can be done with the A160/161 and a mixer combination
> or one
> > > > of the many purpose built sequencers out there. These no only act
> as
> > > > note generators but CV generators, complex oscillators and more.
> > > >
> > > > Add a mixer, a ring modulator and audio sources like VCO's and
> noise if
> > > > your not just processing external sounds.
> > > >
> > > > As I said modular has a habit of getting dangerously consuming.
> > > >
> > > > It is very important to set a couple of goals you want to achieve,
> do
> > > > some research and ask questions and build a small system (in a
> largish
> > > > case) to start with then expand as you develop.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * *
> > > > * * *
> > > > David Salter
> > > > Senior Consultant
> > > >
> > > > SSG UKI
> > > >
> > > > Thomson Reuters
> > > >
> > > > O +44 (0)20 7542 2402X 52402
> > > > M 07990562402
> > > >
> > > > david.salter@ <david.salter%40thomsonreuters.com>
> > > > thomsonreuters.com < http://thomsonreuters.com/ >
> > > >
> > > > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > > > Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of doof_per
> > > > Sent: 02 June 2010 12:29
> > > >
> > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: 1 Re: Newby Seeking Chaos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whoa!
> > > >
> > > > This is the quickest and nicest advice ive ever gotten. THANKS
> GUYS!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a million, everything is being noted & my head is spinning
> a
> > > > little although light is being shed and my ideas are getting
> clearer!
> > > >
> > > > I think for now it would be best to just get the sound sources
> from my
> > > > DAW and use the modular as an effects/shaping/sound design tool. I
> would
> > > > probably go for modular sound source once I get my head around
> which
> > > > units/brand do what exaclty.
> > > >
> > > > Here is my current ("interest") list (as far as I can understand
> from
> > > > reading/hearing the details of each unit specifically on the site)
> > > >
> > > > Others Brands:
> > > > GeigerCounter(FnckYEAH!)
> > > > B:assMaster (Euro Rack)
> > > >
> > > > Doepfer:
> > > > A119input
> > > > A100P6 (case)
> > > > A124Wasp
> > > > A-140 env1eope
> > > > A-115audiodivider
> > > > A-116waveshaper
> > > > A-136distortion
> > > > A-188 BBD
> > > > A187-1
> > > > A189-1 Bit Crusher,
> > > > A137-1 Wave Multipliers
> > > > A106 Xtrene Filter
> > > > A113 Sub Harmonic Gen
> > > >
> > > > Very confused with what these are exactly/if I need them:
> > > > * 1 x Trigger Divider A-160
> > > > * 1 x VC Waveform Processor A-116
> > > > * 1 x logarithmic VCA A-131
> > > >
> > > > I do actually own a TM7 Scrotum Smasher & TM1 & llooove them
> dearly :)
> > > >
> > > > So does the above list make sense to have a working/functioning
> box of
> > > > destruction heehee :)
> > > >
> > > > I dont mind everything being mono as I usually prefer mono
> anyways.
> > > >
> > > > You guys rock!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > , "Carci" <francois.maxime@>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you like Buchla, check the brand "Make noise", you'll
> probably love
> > > > their QMMG / MATHS combo.
> > > > > The most extreme combo I've tried so far, for both processing
> and raw
> > > > sound generation was A136 distortion + A106 Xtreme filter +
> Metasonix
> > > > Scrotum smasher. Sounds go from plain powerful distortion to
> unbearable
> > > > noises and scratches and tube screaming.
> > > > > The smasher is not a module but Metasonix now makes eurorack so
> be
> > > > sure to check their stuff, (especially if you like the sound on
> the last
> > > > NIN albums, it's full of it.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Modules like A188 BBD and A189 Bit crusher can be nasty if you
> like
> > > > digital noise.
> > > > >
> > > > > You look like you already have an idea of what sound you want to
> > > > produce, basic systems are great but if you wanna add more
> modules,
> > > > you'll need more rackspace. So better have a look at which modules
> you
> > > > think you can live without in the basic system and replace them
> with
> > > > more specific modules. Trust me, the time you spend reading every
> module
> > > > user manual will help you a lot when you get your hands on your
> system
> > > > for the first time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > , Bakis Sirros
> > > >
> > > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > all of this is true, but also get an A196 PLL module, for
> weird and
> > > > harsh noises.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1 group owner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www. vu-us. com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/2/10, York Luethje <ybl@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: York Luethje <ybl@>
> > > > > > Subject: AW: 1 Newby Seeking Chaos
> > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > >
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:08 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you want the sounds to originate with your modular or do
> you want
> > > > to use
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it more as a processing tool (e.g. for you drum machine)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the latter case I suggest at least an A-119 to get sounds
> into
> > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition, Doepfer and all the other manufacturers offer
> vast
> > > > > >
> > > > > > possibilities for wrecking any sound; you really can't go
> wrong
> > > > there. Apart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from the various filters take a look at wave shapers (A-116,
> A-136),
> > > > wave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > multipliers (A-137), the A-188 range of BBDs etc. And that's
> just
> > > > Doepfer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you're not quite sure how to utilise your modular, the
> basic
> > > > system
> > > > > >
> > > > > > provides a very good starting point. If you later find out
> that you
> > > > have no
> > > > > >
> > > > > > use for certain modules, you can always sell them and get
> stuff that
> > > > suits
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The likely reason you hear so many old school demos is that
> the
> > > > people that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > can afford a modular tend to be a bit older and grew up with
> prog
> > > > rock or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 80ies synth pop. There's no reason a modular synthesizer can't
> > > > produce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > contemporary sounds, especially now that more and more digital
> > > > sounds
> > > > > >
> > > > > > generators and processors are developed. Check out the new DSP
> > > > processor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from Doepfer, but also the Tip Top Audio and Harvestman range.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One word of caution: People tend to go for the 'Sexy' modules,
> like
> > > > filters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and add utility modules only as an afterthought. After messing
> with
> > > > your
> > > > > >
> > > > > > gear for a while you will probably find that you need more
> VCA's,
> > > > envelopes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LFO's etc. The basic system also supplies you with a decent
> amount
> > > > of these.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > York
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _____
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [mailto: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > ] Im
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Auftrag von doof_per
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2010 03:41
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> <doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com
> <doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betreff: 1 Newby Seeking Chaos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ive spent hours and hours and hours online checking out
> modular gear
> > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (trying) to get my head around it all. For now, ive saved up
> enough
> > > > to get
> > > > > >
> > > > > > an a100 Basic System2 and im hoping for the best! :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I wanted to know from anyone:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im only after modular gear for the "alive" sounds ive heard
> from
> > > > other
> > > > > >
> > > > > > peoples stuff (mainly Buchla TBH..love that sound!..But cant
> afford
> > > > > >
> > > > > > one..anyways thats irrelevant)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im mainly into really distorted sounds, drum n bass,
> > > > mechanical/industrial
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and love shaping sounds and spending hours on a sound to make
> it
> > > > right and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > come "alive".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I looking in the right place(Doepfer ) for my sound Ive
> heard
> > > > allot of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the dopefer demos online and I guess the impression I get is
> rather
> > > > really
> > > > > >
> > > > > > old school, simplistic and minimal/80's (Which I dont mind and
> love
> > > > in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > certain instances)..But at the same time..Can I do more with
> it
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What would someone recommend I get as a startup, to get this
> sound
> > > > im
> > > > > >
> > > > > > after..Shall I go for a "sound design/shaping"a100 system..Or
> for a
> > > > "Basic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > synth system"..I have read soo many links/seen youtube vids
> etc etc
> > > > but
> > > > > >
> > > > > > really I wanted to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak
> before
> > > > I make
> > > > > >
> > > > > > my order.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a "sound rape a100" system they can offer
> advice
> > > > on lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for reading :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This email was sent to you by Thomson Reuters, the global news and
> > > > information company.
> > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual
> sender,
> > > > except where the sender specifically states them to be the views
> of Thomson
> > > > Reuters.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> This email was sent to you by Thomson Reuters, the global news and information company.
> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Thomson Reuters.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>