"but that
said you can get a much cleaner BBD sound in other units"
what other manufacturers would you suggest

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 5:55 AM, zaum < zaum@... > wrote:

> Regarding the RS-210 vs 512 stage A-188-1
>
>
> > The RS-210 comb filter has a much shorter delay than even a 512 BBD
> > can do,
>
> I agree they are quite different modules though I have noticed there
> is an MN3207 (1024 stage) in the RS-210. It's range is 2.5ms to 25ms.
> Clearly ASys stays within the best operating range of that chip, So
> I'm not sure that statement is accurate especially since one isn't
> limited to choosing a 512 stage Doepfer, nothing but money will stop
> you from working with a 128 or 256 stage module for even shorter times.
>
> > there is a HUGE difference being that the doepfer BBDs are
> > much more versatile than the comb filter.
>
> I see the Doepfer module as the most versatile opportunity out there
> (aside from DIY) to control and mess with a BBD chip on a low level.
> The price you pay (not that the Doepfer is expensive compared to
> others) is it's intentionally missing the additional circuitry and
> range restriction that most other companies implement to improve
> fidelity.
>
> In my opinion a Doepfer is a great choice for experimental delay
> artifact based sounds and a not that great choice if one wants
> fidelity in a BBD delay. One could argue a bit that even maximized, a
> BBD lacks fidelity in comparison to other delay methods, but that
> said you can get a much cleaner BBD sound in other units. As I
> understand it, most other BBD based builders include steep filtering,
> which Doepfer suggests a costly external module option for. Then
> there is companding, which they don't seem to bring up in the manual
> but others frequently include it. I guess in an ideal world module
> makers using signal treatments would let you apply the fidelity
> improvements as options rather than hardwired or not offered at all.
>
> > The comb filter is a nice
> > module, but much less versatile. It's got a nice distinct sound to
> > me, but is not a BBD replacement.
>
> Well it is a BBD based delay though less extreme with less feedback
> and control options. As a minor point the RS-210 has no VC resonance.
> One could implement it with a VCA and you do get the second audio in
> to make that easier.
>
> > For Karplus stuff I use a 188-1
> > 512stages and recently added the ASys Echo (I forget the model number
> > now).
>
> that's a VC controlled digital module, right
>
> Nick
>
>
>



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