Thanks for this great discussion guys!I was just wondering about the A152 in
comparison to the Model 23 from plan B.
You really saved me a lot of think work.

Greetings,

Ernst

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Axel Jungkunst < phaedra@... > wrote:

> Hi Bakis,
> you're so right, thanks having taken the time.
> I think I have to buy a Model 23 from Plan B.
> But you're also right that the A-152 has great functions.
> I worked the last hour with it to see what you mean.
>
> best regards
> Axel
>
> Bakis Sirros schrieb:
> >
> > hello Axel,
> >
> > no, this is not a matter of a 'one step delay'.
> > its quite different.
> > please, re-read my detailed explanation and you'll see what i mean.
> >
> > in a true ASR, the voltage of each step changes with each clock trigger.
> >
> > in the A152, the voltage of each step remains the same until its turn
> > comes to hold the currently presented voltage (when addressed, via the
> > address knob and cv input, or the clock trigger)
> >
> > i hope Ingo Zobel maybe can explain it a bit clearer Ingo
> >
> > that said, the A152 is a great module that can do many things! it is
> > just Not a true ASR.
> >
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> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Axel Jungkunst < phaedra@... <phaedra%40t-online.de>
> > <mailto:phaedra%40t-online.de <phaedra%2540t-online.de>>> wrote:
> > From: Axel Jungkunst < phaedra@... <phaedra%40t-online.de><mailto:
> phaedra%40t-online.de <phaedra%2540t-online.de>>>
> > Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%2540yahoogroups.com>>
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> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:24 AM
> >
> > Thanks for your explanation, you are right, so the "ASR"-effect of the
> >
> > A-152 has a one-step-delay
> >
> > to an original ASR, but the shifting of the states works as derscribed,
> >
> > so, by example, you can
> >
> > fill the cv output of sequencer to the A-152 input and feed oscillators
> >
> > with the state of the T/H-registers while
> >
> > clocking the A-152 with the clock out of the sequencer.
> >
> > Here you can build polyphonic sequences and you are more flexible: for
> >
> > example you can patch three
> >
> > outputs of T/H to an OSC each, but you are able to use a range of six
> >
> > steps by using the reset-in from a digital out
> >
> > and patch the T/H outputs 1,3 and 4 to the osc to build interesting
> >
> > tonal models.
> >
> > Again, the only difference is one step too late, but it is the same kind
> >
> > of problem as you
> >
> > have with sequencers, which are resetting to the last or to the first
> > step.
> >
> > You have to accept these circumstances and nobody will hear that you are
> >
> > not using an original concept of a so-called true ASR,
> >
> > but a delayed one ;-)
> >
> > There is a technical aspect and I'm looking at the musical aspect.
> >
> > The audio examples from Plan B's Model 23 can be realized with the A-152.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Axel
> >
> > Bakis Sirros schrieb:
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> > > i thought that too initially, but:
> >
> > >
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> > > let's say that a true ASR's steps are empty of voltages.
> >
> > > first step is filled with voltage 'X'.
> >
> > > in the next trigger, that voltage 'X' is moved to step two and a new
> >
> > > voltage 'Y' fills the first step. in the next trigger, the voltage 'X'
> >
> > > fills the step three, the voltage 'Y' fills the step two and the new
> >
> > > voltage fills the first step. that's how a true ASR works.
> >
> > > so, in a true ASR, the new voltage fills the first step and the older
> >
> > > voltages go down one step in the chain.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > the A152 fills the first step with the last present voltage in it,
> >
> > > when a clock pulse was received, or a new step was addressed. the
> >
> > > currently present voltage, that is now in the second step, will fill
> >
> > > the SECOND step, with the exact value it had when the clock pulse was
> >
> > > received, after a new clock pulse is received. then, the currently
> >
> > > presented voltage that is in the third step now, at the next clock
> >
> > > pulse, will fill the THIRD step with its exact value when the clock
> >
> > > pulse was received. also, each output tracks the current voltage until
> >
> > > a clock pulse is received, so it is a T/H and not a S/H unit.
> >
> > > so, in the A152, the new voltage fills the NEXT step and the old
> >
> > > voltages remain at the steps they were.
> >
> > >
> >
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> > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de
> >
> > > <mailto:phaedra% <phaedra%25> 40t-online. de>> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de <mailto:phaedra%<phaedra%25>
> > 40t-online. de>>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
> >
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou
> > ps.com>
> >
> > > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:18 PM
> >
> > >
> >
> > > But it matches my patching, try it out!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Doug schrieb:
> >
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> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > What you are describing is great, and would constitute an ASR, but it
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > doesn't match the factory description:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > "The signal at the common T&H input is connected to the addressed T&H
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > output. As soon as a new output is addressed the last voltage is
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > stored at the output (Track&Hold function)."
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Axel Jungkunst
> >
> > > <phaedra@... >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > Now I see the error in your explanation: the incoming voltage is
> not
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > distributed to all
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 8 S/H outputs, but to the first one. Each incoming pulse shifts
> > it one
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > S/H-Output further
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and fills the first one with the new state.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > You can terminate the number of outputs by using a digital out
> > to the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > reset in (look at the example).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Try it out, I've done it, it works fine.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > best regards
> >
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