hello Axel,
no, this is not a matter of a 'one step delay'.
its quite different.
please, re-read my detailed explanation and you'll see what i mean.
in a true ASR, the voltage of each step changes with each clock trigger.
in the A152, the voltage of each step remains the same until its turn comes to hold the currently presented voltage (when addressed, via the address knob and cv input, or the clock trigger)
i hope Ingo Zobel maybe can explain it a bit clearer Ingo
that said, the A152 is a great module that can do many things! it is just Not a true ASR.
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--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Axel Jungkunst <
phaedra@...
> wrote:
From: Axel Jungkunst <
phaedra@...
>
Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
To:
Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:24 AM
Thanks for your explanation, you are right, so the "ASR"-effect of the
A-152 has a one-step-delay
to an original ASR, but the shifting of the states works as derscribed,
so, by example, you can
fill the cv output of sequencer to the A-152 input and feed oscillators
with the state of the T/H-registers while
clocking the A-152 with the clock out of the sequencer.
Here you can build polyphonic sequences and you are more flexible: for
example you can patch three
outputs of T/H to an OSC each, but you are able to use a range of six
steps by using the reset-in from a digital out
and patch the T/H outputs 1,3 and 4 to the osc to build interesting
tonal models.
Again, the only difference is one step too late, but it is the same kind
of problem as you
have with sequencers, which are resetting to the last or to the first step.
You have to accept these circumstances and nobody will hear that you are
not using an original concept of a so-called true ASR,
but a delayed one ;-)
There is a technical aspect and I'm looking at the musical aspect.
The audio examples from Plan B's Model 23 can be realized with the A-152.
best regards
Axel
Bakis Sirros schrieb:
>
> i thought that too initially, but:
>
> let's say that a true ASR's steps are empty of voltages.
> first step is filled with voltage 'X'.
> in the next trigger, that voltage 'X' is moved to step two and a new
> voltage 'Y' fills the first step. in the next trigger, the voltage 'X'
> fills the step three, the voltage 'Y' fills the step two and the new
> voltage fills the first step. that's how a true ASR works.
> so, in a true ASR, the new voltage fills the first step and the older
> voltages go down one step in the chain.
>
> the A152 fills the first step with the last present voltage in it,
> when a clock pulse was received, or a new step was addressed. the
> currently present voltage, that is now in the second step, will fill
> the SECOND step, with the exact value it had when the clock pulse was
> received, after a new clock pulse is received. then, the currently
> presented voltage that is in the third step now, at the next clock
> pulse, will fill the THIRD step with its exact value when the clock
> pulse was received. also, each output tracks the current voltage until
> a clock pulse is received, so it is a T/H and not a S/H unit.
> so, in the A152, the new voltage fills the NEXT step and the old
> voltages remain at the steps they were.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
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> --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de
> <mailto:phaedra% 40t-online. de>> wrote:
> From: Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de <mailto:phaedra% 40t-online. de>>
> Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:18 PM
>
> But it matches my patching, try it out!
>
> Doug schrieb:
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> >
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> > What you are describing is great, and would constitute an ASR, but it
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> > doesn't match the factory description:
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> >
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> > "The signal at the common T&H input is connected to the addressed T&H
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> > output. As soon as a new output is addressed the last voltage is
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> > stored at the output (Track&Hold function)."
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> >
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> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
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> > <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Axel Jungkunst
> <phaedra@... >
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> > wrote:
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> > >
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> > > Now I see the error in your explanation: the incoming voltage is not
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> > > distributed to all
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> > > 8 S/H outputs, but to the first one. Each incoming pulse shifts it one
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> > > S/H-Output further
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> > > and fills the first one with the new state.
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> > > You can terminate the number of outputs by using a digital out to the
>
> > > reset in (look at the example).
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> > > Try it out, I've done it, it works fine.
>
> > > best regards
>
> > > Axel
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