oh, i know it will not sound like a buchla. i am convinced that thing
could make anything sound weak. but a 200e is a whole lot of money and
i don't think it would be fiscally responsible for me to take out an
equity line on the house to get a synth. though the though has crossed
my mind. would anyone here let a homeless guy with a 200e crash on
their couch

s

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Joey Fedrow <v605aql@...> wrote:
>
> If your coming from a buchla background, I suspect you'll be sorely
disappointed by the doepfer. You might want to just start saving for a
200e.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Sean Hart <dubvegan@...> wrote:
> From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@...>
> Subject: 1 Re: starting a modular
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:43 PM
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> my intention is to start with simple system, i will
eventually
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> replace and add more and different osc's and have a decent variety of
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> filters. i would also add an external input/envelope follower for
>
> processing external sounds. i am very fond of LFOs and the various
>
> ways you can abuse them. i knew i needed a VCA and a mixer, though i
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> forgot to add them to the list.
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>
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> and i have certainly looked at other manufactures. there are a lot of
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> really cool modules out there. this is certainly something that could
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> keep me perpetually broke.
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>
> thanks for the input and insight.
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> s
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> --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros
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> <synth_freak_ 2000@> wrote:
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> > the A110's are nice osc's and offer good 'bung for buck' (as they
say).
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> > they have their own sound. some like it some not.
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> > simple as that.
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> >  
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> >
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> >
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> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
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> > 1 group owner
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> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
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> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
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> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
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> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
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> > www. DiN. org. uk
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> > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
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> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
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> > www. rubberrecords. gr
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> > Athens - Greece
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> >
>
> > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Argitoth <argitoth@ .> wrote:
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> >
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> > From: Argitoth <argitoth@ .>
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> > Subject: Re: 1 starting a modular
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> > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
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> > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:35 AM
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> > York, to defend myself, I did own A-110 VCOs which I got for $150
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> > each. I sold them to buy Analog Systems VCOs for about $255 each
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> > (price includes power conversion). I should have said that it is my
>
> > personal opinion that I think A-110s have low bang-for-buck. I should
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> > also say I have a very low tolerance for imperfections, so others will
>
> > definitely find the A-110s suitable. Yes, they did have good pitch
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> > tracking, but for $50 more you can buy VCOs with more features.
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> > I would have purchased the Tip Top VCOs in a heart beat had I known
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> > about them (but they weren't even announced when I got my VCOs). Top
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> > Top VCOs are less expensive than Analog Systems VCOs (mainly because
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> > of power conversion) and probably have some niiice features that the
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> > Analog Systems VCOs do not have.
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> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@> wrote:
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> > > Argitoth is right, no need to rush. A good starting point is
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> > >
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> > > http://mega. modularplanner. co.uk/standard. html
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> > >
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> > > There you have all current manufacturers for the eurorack-format
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> in one
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> > > comprehensive package. And you definitely should get a multiple.
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> > >
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> > > However
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> > >
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> > > "I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
>
> > > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the
spring... it
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> > > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion."
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> > >
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> > > Never heard of that. Mine works fine for the best part of this
>
> decade. And I
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> > > have an unsprung one as well.
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> > >
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> > > "You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO
(doepfer
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> > > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck."
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> > >
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> > > This kind of sentiment always struck me as a bit strange. It seems
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> to be an
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> > > article of faith amongst the cognoscenti that the A-110 is an
inferior
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> > > product. It is not considering the price-point. My impression was
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> that the
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> > > OP had a budget of USD 2k. Sure there are other oscillators but
>
> getting two
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> > > good ones for USD 400 That also track very well over a wide
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> range And hold
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> > > their tuning no matter what, over days if need be
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> > >
>
> > > Debates over oscillators are superseded in subjective POV only by
>
> > > filter-battles and I don't want to get into that. Just dislike the
>
> habitual
>
> > > bashing of a very competent product. Below are the OSCs I can
>
> think of:
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> > > together with their prices:
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> > >
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> > > Doepfer A-110 200,-
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> > > Doepfer A-111 350,- Triangle core
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> > > Tip-Top Z-3000 250,-
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> > > Analogue Solutions 185,-
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> > > Cwejman VCO 2RM 640,- 2 VCOs + RingMod
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> > > Cwejman VCO 6 425,-
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> > > Cyindustries Zeroscillator 995,-
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> > > Metasonix TM 3 550,- 2 OSCs, not much tracking but...mmmh! Eric
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> Barbour is
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> > > God.
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> > > MFB OSC 1 220,- 3 DCOs
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> > > MFB OSC 2 299,- 3 VCOs
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> > > Plan B Model 15 320 Triangle core
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> > > Analogue Systems RS95 240,-
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> > > Livewire Dalek VCO 260,- VCO + RingMod
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> > > Livewire AFG 399,-
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> > >
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> > > Best
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> > >
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> > > York
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> > >
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> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> > > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com>
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> > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:57:36 PM
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> > > Subject: Re: 1 starting a modular
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> > >
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> > > I would suggest Tip Top Audio VCOs (which I don't own):
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> > > http://www.analogue haven.com/ tiptopaudio/ z3000/
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> > >
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> > > You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO
(doepfer
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> > > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck.
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> > >
>
> > > I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
>
> > > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the
spring... it
>
> > > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion.
>
> > >
>
> > > OK! YOU REALLLLLLY HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS: Really think
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> > > about how you are going to handle mixing/merging, inverting, and
>
> > > splitting/multiplyi ng, and attenuating signals. Some modules have
>
> > > multiple ins and multiple outs, some modules can attenuate, some
>
> > > modules can't, etc. There are many options for signal routing
modules.
>
> > > I personally think the best way to go it to get mixing/merging
modules
>
> > > that don't have attenuation knobs and get one or two dedicated
>
> > > attenuation modules. The reason for this is that most of the time, a
>
> > > module's input has an attenuator. Signal Mixers and Multipliers that
>
> > > have multiple ins/outs generally don't have attenuation knobs, but
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> > > they are extremely useful.
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> > >
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> > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=10
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> > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=21
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> > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=24
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> > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=18
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> > >
>
> > > You need one signal multiplier that is buffered (low signal
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> > > degradation when multiplying a signal) so that you can route 1v/oct
>
> > > signals to multiple oscillators, filters, and whatever else. The
MX224
>
> > > is not good enough for some reason, but it's GREAT for general
>
> > > purposes. I have a Plan B Model 31 Buffered Multi in the mail so
I'll
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> > > see if that is any better.
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> > >
>
> > > An A-138c is a very useful mixer because it can invert a signal
by any
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> > > amount. By the way, signal inversion is one way to make filters
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> > > distort and scream.
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> > >
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> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, york luethje <ybl@> wrote:
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> > >> Hi Sean,
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> > >>
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> > >> you could substitute the A-143-2 and A-143-3 with a A-143-1. It
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> gives you
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> > >> four independent AD envelopes or 4 independent LFOs or a complex
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> envelope,
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> > >> depending on mode. You should definitely think about adding some
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> VCAs, for
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> > >> example the A-132 dual VCA.
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> > >>
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> > >> York
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> > >>
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> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __
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> > >> From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@yahoo. com>
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> > >> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
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> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:15:34 PM
>
> > >> Subject: 1 starting a modular
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> > >>
>
> > >> fortunately and unfortunately, i have a friend that has a
buchla 200.
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> > >> furtunately, because i get to play it when i visit him.
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> unfurtunately,
>
> > >> because it makes me want an analogue modular ($$$). i would most
>
> > >> likely have to build it a little at a time, but i am thinking:
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> > >>
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> > >> A-110 Standard VCO x 2
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> > >> A-114 Dual Ringmodulator
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> > >> A-121 Multimode Filter (VCF2)
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> > >> A-138b Mixer
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> > >> A-143-2 Quad ADSR
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> > >> A-143-3 Quad LFO
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> > >> A-174 Joy Stick
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> > >> A-190 MIDI-to-CV/Gate/ Sync Interface
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> > >> A-100 Low Cost Suitcase
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> > >>
>
> > >> which would be just under $2000 (still a decent chunk of money)
and i
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> > >> would still need cables. are there any more options for more
>
> > >> economical modules and yes, i would continue to buy more
modules and
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> > >> i know that it is something that i would spend, in the long term,
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> > >> ridiculous amounts of money on.
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> > >>
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> > >> comments suggestions anything you are selling to help me
bring the
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> > >> initial cost down
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> > >>
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> > >> thanks,
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> > >> sean
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