my intention is to start with simple system, i will eventually
replace and add more and different osc's and have a decent variety of
filters. i would also add an external input/envelope follower for
processing external sounds. i am very fond of LFOs and the various
ways you can abuse them. i knew i needed a VCA and a mixer, though i
forgot to add them to the list.

and i have certainly looked at other manufactures. there are a lot of
really cool modules out there. this is certainly something that could
keep me perpetually broke.

thanks for the input and insight.

s

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:

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> the A110's are nice osc's and offer good 'bung for buck' (as they say).
> they have their own sound. some like it some not.
> simple as that.
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> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Argitoth <argitoth@...> wrote:
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> From: Argitoth <argitoth@...>
> Subject: Re: 1 starting a modular
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:35 AM
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> York, to defend myself, I did own A-110 VCOs which I got for $150
> each. I sold them to buy Analog Systems VCOs for about $255 each
> (price includes power conversion). I should have said that it is my
> personal opinion that I think A-110s have low bang-for-buck. I should
> also say I have a very low tolerance for imperfections, so others will
> definitely find the A-110s suitable. Yes, they did have good pitch
> tracking, but for $50 more you can buy VCOs with more features.
>
> I would have purchased the Tip Top VCOs in a heart beat had I known
> about them (but they weren't even announced when I got my VCOs). Top
> Top VCOs are less expensive than Analog Systems VCOs (mainly because
> of power conversion) and probably have some niiice features that the
> Analog Systems VCOs do not have.
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> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote:
> > Argitoth is right, no need to rush. A good starting point is
> >
> > http://mega. modularplanner. co.uk/standard. html
> >
> > There you have all current manufacturers for the eurorack-format

in one

> > comprehensive package. And you definitely should get a multiple.
> >
> > However
> >
> > "I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
> > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it
> > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion."
> >
> > Never heard of that. Mine works fine for the best part of this

decade. And I

> > have an unsprung one as well.
> >
> > "You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer
> > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck."
> >
> > This kind of sentiment always struck me as a bit strange. It seems

to be an

> > article of faith amongst the cognoscenti that the A-110 is an inferior
> > product. It is not considering the price-point. My impression was

that the

> > OP had a budget of USD 2k. Sure there are other oscillators but

getting two

> > good ones for USD 400 That also track very well over a wide

range And hold

> > their tuning no matter what, over days if need be
> >
> > Debates over oscillators are superseded in subjective POV only by
> > filter-battles and I don't want to get into that. Just dislike the

habitual

> > bashing of a very competent product. Below are the OSCs I can

think of:

> > together with their prices:
> >
> > Doepfer A-110 200,-
> > Doepfer A-111 350,- Triangle core
> > Tip-Top Z-3000 250,-
> > Analogue Solutions 185,-
> > Cwejman VCO 2RM 640,- 2 VCOs + RingMod
> > Cwejman VCO 6 425,-
> > Cyindustries Zeroscillator 995,-
> > Metasonix TM 3 550,- 2 OSCs, not much tracking but...mmmh! Eric

Barbour is

> > God.
> > MFB OSC 1 220,- 3 DCOs
> > MFB OSC 2 299,- 3 VCOs
> > Plan B Model 15 320 Triangle core
> > Analogue Systems RS95 240,-
> > Livewire Dalek VCO 260,- VCO + RingMod
> > Livewire AFG 399,-
> >
> > Best
> >
> > York
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com>
> > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:57:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: 1 starting a modular
> >
> > I would suggest Tip Top Audio VCOs (which I don't own):
> > http://www.analogue haven.com/ tiptopaudio/ z3000/
> >
> > You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer
> > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck.
> >
> > I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
> > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it
> > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion.
> >
> > OK! YOU REALLLLLLY HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS: Really think
> > about how you are going to handle mixing/merging, inverting, and
> > splitting/multiplyi ng, and attenuating signals. Some modules have
> > multiple ins and multiple outs, some modules can attenuate, some
> > modules can't, etc. There are many options for signal routing modules.
> > I personally think the best way to go it to get mixing/merging modules
> > that don't have attenuation knobs and get one or two dedicated
> > attenuation modules. The reason for this is that most of the time, a
> > module's input has an attenuator. Signal Mixers and Multipliers that
> > have multiple ins/outs generally don't have attenuation knobs, but
> > they are extremely useful.
> >
> > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=10
> > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=21
> > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=24
> > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=18
> >
> > You need one signal multiplier that is buffered (low signal
> > degradation when multiplying a signal) so that you can route 1v/oct
> > signals to multiple oscillators, filters, and whatever else. The MX224
> > is not good enough for some reason, but it's GREAT for general
> > purposes. I have a Plan B Model 31 Buffered Multi in the mail so I'll
> > see if that is any better.
> >
> > An A-138c is a very useful mixer because it can invert a signal by any
> > amount. By the way, signal inversion is one way to make filters
> > distort and scream.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote:
> >> Hi Sean,
> >>
> >> you could substitute the A-143-2 and A-143-3 with a A-143-1. It

gives you

> >> four independent AD envelopes or 4 independent LFOs or a complex

envelope,

> >> depending on mode. You should definitely think about adding some

VCAs, for

> >> example the A-132 dual VCA.
> >>
> >> York
> >>
> >> ____________ _________ _________ __
> >> From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@yahoo. com>
> >> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:15:34 PM
> >> Subject: 1 starting a modular
> >>
> >> fortunately and unfortunately, i have a friend that has a buchla 200.
> >> furtunately, because i get to play it when i visit him.

unfurtunately,

> >> because it makes me want an analogue modular ($$$). i would most
> >> likely have to build it a little at a time, but i am thinking:
> >>
> >> A-110 Standard VCO x 2
> >> A-114 Dual Ringmodulator
> >> A-121 Multimode Filter (VCF2)
> >> A-138b Mixer
> >> A-143-2 Quad ADSR
> >> A-143-3 Quad LFO
> >> A-174 Joy Stick
> >> A-190 MIDI-to-CV/Gate/ Sync Interface
> >> A-100 Low Cost Suitcase
> >>
> >> which would be just under $2000 (still a decent chunk of money) and i
> >> would still need cables. are there any more options for more
> >> economical modules and yes, i would continue to buy more modules and
> >> i know that it is something that i would spend, in the long term,
> >> ridiculous amounts of money on.
> >>
> >> comments suggestions anything you are selling to help me bring the
> >> initial cost down
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> sean
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