York, to defend myself, I did own A-110 VCOs which I got for $150
each. I sold them to buy Analog Systems VCOs for about $255 each
(price includes power conversion). I should have said that it is my
personal opinion that I think A-110s have low bang-for-buck. I should
also say I have a very low tolerance for imperfections, so others will
definitely find the A-110s suitable. Yes, they did have good pitch
tracking, but for $50 more you can buy VCOs with more features.

I would have purchased the Tip Top VCOs in a heart beat had I known
about them (but they weren't even announced when I got my VCOs). Top
Top VCOs are less expensive than Analog Systems VCOs (mainly because
of power conversion) and probably have some niiice features that the
Analog Systems VCOs do not have.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, york luethje < ybl@... > wrote:
> Argitoth is right, no need to rush. A good starting point is
>
> http://mega.modularplanner.co.uk/standard.html
>
> There you have all current manufacturers for the eurorack-format in one
> comprehensive package. And you definitely should get a multiple.
>
> However
>
> "I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
> joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it
> returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion."
>
> Never heard of that. Mine works fine for the best part of this decade. And I
> have an unsprung one as well.
>
> "You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer
> A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck."
>
> This kind of sentiment always struck me as a bit strange. It seems to be an
> article of faith amongst the cognoscenti that the A-110 is an inferior
> product. It is not considering the price-point. My impression was that the
> OP had a budget of USD 2k. Sure there are other oscillators but getting two
> good ones for USD 400 That also track very well over a wide range And hold
> their tuning no matter what, over days if need be
>
> Debates over oscillators are superseded in subjective POV only by
> filter-battles and I don't want to get into that. Just dislike the habitual
> bashing of a very competent product. Below are the OSCs I can think of:
> together with their prices:
>
> Doepfer A-110 200,-
> Doepfer A-111 350,- Triangle core
> Tip-Top Z-3000 250,-
> Analogue Solutions 185,-
> Cwejman VCO 2RM 640,- 2 VCOs + RingMod
> Cwejman VCO 6 425,-
> Cyindustries Zeroscillator 995,-
> Metasonix TM 3 550,- 2 OSCs, not much tracking but...mmmh! Eric Barbour is
> God.
> MFB OSC 1 220,- 3 DCOs
> MFB OSC 2 299,- 3 VCOs
> Plan B Model 15 320 Triangle core
> Analogue Systems RS95 240,-
> Livewire Dalek VCO 260,- VCO + RingMod
> Livewire AFG 399,-
>
> Best
>
> York
>
> ________________________________
> From: Argitoth < argitoth@... >
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:57:36 PM
> Subject: Re: 1 starting a modular
>
> I would suggest Tip Top Audio VCOs (which I don't own):
> http://www.analogue haven.com/ tiptopaudio/ z3000/
>
> You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer
> A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck.
>
> I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer
> joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it
> returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion.
>
> OK! YOU REALLLLLLY HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS: Really think
> about how you are going to handle mixing/merging, inverting, and
> splitting/multiplyi ng, and attenuating signals. Some modules have
> multiple ins and multiple outs, some modules can attenuate, some
> modules can't, etc. There are many options for signal routing modules.
> I personally think the best way to go it to get mixing/merging modules
> that don't have attenuation knobs and get one or two dedicated
> attenuation modules. The reason for this is that most of the time, a
> module's input has an attenuator. Signal Mixers and Multipliers that
> have multiple ins/outs generally don't have attenuation knobs, but
> they are extremely useful.
>
> http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=10
> http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm id=21
> http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=24
> http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm id=18
>
> You need one signal multiplier that is buffered (low signal
> degradation when multiplying a signal) so that you can route 1v/oct
> signals to multiple oscillators, filters, and whatever else. The MX224
> is not good enough for some reason, but it's GREAT for general
> purposes. I have a Plan B Model 31 Buffered Multi in the mail so I'll
> see if that is any better.
>
> An A-138c is a very useful mixer because it can invert a signal by any
> amount. By the way, signal inversion is one way to make filters
> distort and scream.
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, york luethje < ybl@... > wrote:
>> Hi Sean,
>>
>> you could substitute the A-143-2 and A-143-3 with a A-143-1. It gives you
>> four independent AD envelopes or 4 independent LFOs or a complex envelope,
>> depending on mode. You should definitely think about adding some VCAs, for
>> example the A-132 dual VCA.
>>
>> York
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@yahoo. com>
>> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:15:34 PM
>> Subject: 1 starting a modular
>>
>> fortunately and unfortunately, i have a friend that has a buchla 200.
>> furtunately, because i get to play it when i visit him. unfurtunately,
>> because it makes me want an analogue modular ($$$). i would most
>> likely have to build it a little at a time, but i am thinking:
>>
>> A-110 Standard VCO x 2
>> A-114 Dual Ringmodulator
>> A-121 Multimode Filter (VCF2)
>> A-138b Mixer
>> A-143-2 Quad ADSR
>> A-143-3 Quad LFO
>> A-174 Joy Stick
>> A-190 MIDI-to-CV/Gate/ Sync Interface
>> A-100 Low Cost Suitcase
>>
>> which would be just under $2000 (still a decent chunk of money) and i
>> would still need cables. are there any more options for more
>> economical modules and yes, i would continue to buy more modules and
>> i know that it is something that i would spend, in the long term,
>> ridiculous amounts of money on.
>>
>> comments suggestions anything you are selling to help me bring the
>> initial cost down
>>
>> thanks,
>> sean
>>
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>>
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