no, the modulator and carrier do not have to be 'in tune', unless you only want a specific range of linear fm sounds.
in linear fm, the modulator and carrier can still not be in tune and yet produce musical sounds.

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--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Argitoth < argitoth@... > wrote:

From: Argitoth < argitoth@... >
Subject: Re: 1 Re: What am I missing
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 1:41 PM






The modulator and carrier have to stay exactly in tune with each other,
that's the problem.

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:

> that is, probably, because your vco's do not have linear fm, am i right
> for fm-type sounds (fm'ed sounds that retain their fundamental pitch, you
> need linear fm and not exponential fm).
> after that, of course you have to attenuate the fm amount (fm index),
> otherwise you'll get too many extra, upper and lower, sinewaves (harmonics).
>
> and no need to say that you have to strat with rather 'pure' sounds
> (sinewaves or triangles).
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
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>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com <argitoth%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com <argitoth%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: 1 Re: What am I missing
> > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:24 AM
>
> > You can definitely create new harmonics syncing VCOs and
> > routing them all
> > crazy places, but I just can't seem to get a FM-type
> > sound... like I have to
> > use a filter to reduce harmonics instead of reducing a
> > modulation.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Chris Jones
> > <techmaster@gmail. com <techmaster% 40gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > > I know one thing that drives me nuts, is when I use an
> > LFO for
> > > modulation.. .it'll sound great when playing one
> > note, but as soon as
> > > you shift to another note, the LFO is no longer in
> > harmony and it
> > > sounds terrible. I personally feel that LFO's are
> > terrible for
> > > modulation, and lately I've been learning that
> > running your oscillator
> > > into a multiple and using the split oscillations to
> > modulate various
> > > things, can sound way better, since it's always in
> > tune/harmony.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Argitoth
> > <argitoth@gmail. com <argitoth%40gmail. com>> wrote:
> > > > So what module would be best for adding harmonics
> > or getting some kind of
> > > FM
> > > > sounds Is it the PLL or the Wave Multiplier or
> > neither
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Chris Jones
> > <techmaster@gmail. com <techmaster% 40gmail.com> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I already have the wasp and love it. :) I
> > can't decide if I like
> > > >> that or the Polivoks more, which is nuts
> > considering the Polivoks was
> > > >> like 3x as much money.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Anthony
> > Rolando
> > > >> <goldenechos@ hotmail.com <goldenechos% 40hotmail. com>> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Good point, if you put a VCA in FRONT of
> > that waveshaper you will find
> > > >> that you will be able to get more out of
> > it...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Additionally, I wanted to mention the
> > Doepfer A-124 Wasp style filter.
> > > >> > This filter can be VERY mean, even a bit
> > deranged. It is inexpensive,
> > > has
> > > >> multiple outs.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Lastly the Doepfer A-196 PLL. When used
> > as a signal processor this one
> > > >> gets real nasty. Perhaps too much so!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > TOny
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com<Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > >> >> From: jari.jokinen@ netikka.fi <jari.jokinen% 40netikka. fi>
> > > >> >> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:59:25
> > +0000
> > > >> >> Subject: 1 Re: What am
> > I missing
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Only one VCA and one mixer
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Maybe consider A-132-3 Dual
> > linear/exponential VCA and A-138c
> > > >> >> Polarizing Mixer.
> > > >> >>
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