http://www.denecarter.com/Beast.jpg
http://www.denecarter.com/Beast.mp3

Have a listen - my setup's not entirely different from yours, and any
low down grunt from mine simply comes from having a good, solid low
octave VCO in the mix, and doubling up wherever possible, plus a side
helping of sync (which I love).

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "techmaster242" <techmaster@...>
wrote:

>
> Wow, thanks for that! I've been wanting to hear a demo of that

thing

> for quite some time, and I honestly have to say, I'm absolutely
> convinced that is what my modular needs. Maybe I was wrong when I
> said my modular isn't "fat" enough, it definitely needs that bottom
> end growl, and hearing what it did to that voice and sine wave is
> definitely impressive.
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , achtung_999
> <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> >
> > I would not expect too much from the A115 if I were you...
> > I made some exaples of the A115.
> >
> > http://ernstvanderloo.com/Doepfer/A115-speech.mp3
> >
> > Is some speech from an audio book through the A115.
> > I'm having the original signal at 100% al the time.
> > Slowly adding one octave below, taking it out, slowly taking in 2
> octaves
> > below etc.
> > At the end you hear a mixture of all the signals at the same time.
> >
> > http://ernstvanderloo.com/Doepfer/A115-sine.mp3
> >
> > Is a sinetone from the A143-9 as input. I'm doing the same as in

the

> other
> > mp3.
> > Why the A143-9 for this example Because it's the cleanest sine

tone a

> > Doepfer module can generate.
> >
> > These example are very dull and academic but I guess it shows you
> what the
> > A115 can do.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:24 AM, techmaster242 <techmaster@>

wrote:

> >
> > > The A-102 and A-124 sound amazing. Equally as aggressive as

the

> > > Polivoks, and less than half the price. I'm 100% positive my

problem

> > > doesn't lie in the filters. It's what I'm putting into them.
> > >
> > > Everybody is saying to get an A-137, but I already have one.

LOL I'm

> > > kind of confused though, because if you fold a saw wave, you

basically

> > > get a ramp wave, but with lower amperage. If you fold a square

wave,

> > > you get a square wave, once again with lower amperage. You

basically

> > > can't fold any wave with vertical elements, so you're stuck with
> > > folding triangle and sine waves, and neither one sounds very
> > > spectacular to me. Honestly, I bought the A-137 to be a drum

effects

> > > unit, and it is no slouch in that department. I absolutely love

it

> > > for effecting drums.
> > >
> > > When you all say to sync the VCO's, what do I sync them to Do I
> > > split the gate and sync them both to that Or run, say, VCO1's

square

> > > into VCA2's sync input I've already played with syncing the

LFO to a

> > > VCO, and that fattens things up a bit, I just want more. :) If I
> > > tune both VCO's the same, and set their octave switches one

octave

> > > apart, it sounds a bit thicker, since the sound covered two

octaves

> > > instead of one, so I'm thinking the A-115 will give me the same
> > > benefit, freeing up the second VCO to simply reinforce what the

first

> > > VCO is playing.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> > > "argitoth" <argitoth@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to step back and really think about what

kind of

> > > > sound you're trying to create with your synth. What you seem

to lack

> > > > may be physical (not the right module) and it may also be

mental

> (your
> > > > understanding of how to create X sound).
> > > >
> > > > First thing I noticed is that you don't have a VC ADSR.

However, you

> > > > can get similar effects by combining two ADSRs into the same

input.

> > > > You can get really snappy envelopes that way. You can also

get a

> > > > snappy sound by sending one envelope to modulate the pitch of

an osc

> > > > and the other to modulate the filter. Another thing about

ADSRs is

> > > > that you should make use of the sustain and release to create

nice

> > > > envelope shapes.
> > > >
> > > > I think if your $2000 synth doesn't sound like $2000 it could

be

> your
> > > > quality of filters. I would love to hear the A-102 and A-124.

I know

> > > > the Polivoks it good... well that's what everyone says.
> > > >
> > > > Second thing is that you should understand how to make your

synth

> > > > scream. Bandpass and notch is where it's at! I used to think

lowpass

> > > > filters make synths scream. I was wrong! Create feedback

patches by

> > > > multiplying a filter's output to go into itself with a saw

wave and

> > > > out to your speaker, use notch or bandpass. Now invert the

signal

> > > > going back into the filter... it's really confusing IMO. But

it

> > > > doesn't look like any of your modules can invert a signal.
> > > >
> > > > Here's how the Model 12 sounds with inverted feedback:
> > > > http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/model_12_scream2.mp3
> > > >
> > > > Another thing is that you don't have any real way to create

the

> > > > classic screamy sync sound. Actually, you can use an

envelope. Patch

> > > > it into the pitch control instead of patching your CV1 from

your

> midi
> > > > module. Turn release, decay, and attack to 0. Use the sustain
> knob to
> > > > manually modulate the pitch.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly, a few modules have already been suggested; the A-137

and A-

> > > > 188. Those modules are good to have, yes, but I don't think

they

> move
> > > > your synth in the immediate direction you want to go, and that
> is fat
> > > > and hard sounds. What I suggest is an oakley overdrive to

help your

> > > > filters scream: http://www.oakleysound.co.uk/overdrv.htm You

need to

> > > > ask the oakley guy if he can make you a eurorack overdrive.

It may

> > > > take a little more than a month for you to get it. I ordered

my own

> > > > just yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest a saw animator to create supersaw sounds, but

it

> looks
> > > > like there's none available. E-mail Cynthia about it:
> > > http://www.cyndustries.com/modules_sawtooth.cfm
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>